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@EugeneMcParland so basically #Russia demands worse terms than the "#StatusQuoAnteBellum" as per #BudapestMemorandum.
- If I were #Zelenskyy I'd literally answer that "I can also demand absurd shite" and demand control over Russia's nukes and #Putin to be delivered to the #ICC.
Even the "Status Quo Ante Bellum" is too little.
IMHO anything but #Ukraine being a full #EU & #NATO member with "#BootsOnTheGround" in the borders of 1994-2011 alongside a #DemilitarizedZone 100km into Russia from the border and 50km from Belarus is already letting the Putin-Regime off the hook.
- #Reparations not included!
Whoever thinks one can "negotiate with Russia" and by negotiate doesn't mean 'pushing dual-wielded Stechkin APBs against Putin's head that are cocked, loaded with a round in the chamber and set to full auto' has completely lost sight of things...
- Putin's fanbase want a neo-Czarist Empire."From Dublin to the Yukon!"
mastodon.ieEugene McParland 🇺🇦 (@EugeneMcParland@mastodon.ie)russia media published memorandum prepared by russia for talks in Istanbul.
russia demands #Ukraine to be neutral, non-nuclear, fully withdraw from Ukrainian regions, partially occupied by russia, also recognize them as rF, limit army, prohibit nationalist parties, use russian language as official, lift all sanctions, don’t demand compensation for damage
Source: https://liveuamap.com/en/2025/2-june-16-russia-media-published-memorandum-prepared-by-russia
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@ntv wenns nach mir ginge würde der #StatusQuoAnteBellum (1994-2011) wiederhergestellt und eine 100km breite DMZ von der Grenze nach Russland und Belarus hinein durchgesetzt.
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@Powerfromspace1 that would mean #Putin wins.
- No, he as aggressor needs to face actual consequences as in:
#Ukraine becomes #EU & #NATO member with stationed #Nukes and #BootsOnTheGround, forcing #Russia into a worse-than #StatusQuoAnteBellum! (1994-2011)
- Anythibg else is #UndueLeniency!
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@alexlunaview nodds in agreement
The #War against #Ukraine must end with Kiyv winning, and I don't just mean #StatusQuoAnteBellum (1994-2011), but full #EU & #NATO membership with stationed #troops and #nukes.
- Otherwise I'm not convinced #Zelenskyy (or whoever will be in charge post-war; after all, Ukraine is a #democracy and the end of war most likely means new elections are mandatory!) will just quit the #NBT and start #nuclear #rearmament as a #deterrence against #Russia, since that's the only known deterrence to stop #Putin!
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@randahl @BobHorowitz nodds in agreement
Sincerely, i think this war will end worse for #Putin that #StatusQuoAnteBellum (1994-2011) because it has to!
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@Gegenwind @TricaMcMillion @monkee @LisaPaus es hätte gereicht wenn die #USA und #UK sich an deren #Verpflichtungen gehalten hätten und spätestens 2011 mit der #Invasion und #Annexion der #Krim mit Trupoennangerückt wären.
- Jetzt ist der #Ukraibe klar dass #nuklear #abrüsten falsch war denn weder #Russland noch der Westen halten sich an verbindliche Zusagen.
#StatusQuoAnteBellum (1994-2011) wird dies nicht heilen können. Ne #EU & #NATO-Mitgliedschaft samt Truppen-Stationierubg wäre das mindeste...
- Genauso wie die "Alternative" zu #Militärhilfe nur darin bestübde, selbst Trupoeb zu entsenden, nur außerhalb der #USA sind beflaggte Särge politisch suizidal!
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@rayglittersoft @amayer @MAKS23 if it was my decision, #Russia, #NorthKorea and everyone doing business with them would face a #TotalEmbargo:
- Not a single drop, grain, cent or gram enters or leaves Russia until #Putin restores the #StatusQuoAnteBellum (1994-2011) of #Ukraine!
@incoherentmumblings @amayer @lbarthas @afelia Weiß ja nicht wo mensch falsch abgebogen bist, aber es steht dir frei solche Fälle (falls es diese gab!) zu dokumentieren, beim #Rundfunkrat zwecks #Rüge einzureichen und das zu dokumentieren).
- Angesichts der Russischen Aggression ist das ganze jedoch recht einduetig und die #Ukraine ist mit der Forderubg nach #StatusQuoAnteBellum (1994-2011) noch sehr gnädig.
Wenns nach mir ginge gäb's ne #DemilitarisierteZone 100km landeinwärts in #Russland (50km #Weißrussland) mit #OSZE-Mandat und #Reparationen...
- Dass #Zelenskyy noch kein #Kopfgeld für #Putin ausgelobt hat ist in meinen Augen ein deutliches Zeichen von Zurückhaltung!
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@ndaktuell was heißt hier "Ende unwahrscheinlicher?"
#Putin könnte dies sofort beenden indem er den #StatusQuoAnteBellum (1994-2011) wiederherstellt.
- Das will er nur nicht!
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@hanse_mina IMHO #Russia should facea total #blockade incl. #SeaBlockade and be forced into #ConditionlessSurrender cuz with their unreleting invasion since 2022 they forfeilted any right to go back to a #StatusQuoAnteBellum (even tho I'd understand #Ukraine not wanting that since 2012 as Russa has been #ConsequenceFree-violating the #BudapestMemorandum since then...
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@europesays Even the "#StatusQuoAnteBellum" (1991-2012) would've been a #victory for #Russia by #LackOfAccountability & #LackOfConsequences.
- Since #WhatYouAllowIsWhatWillContinue applies espechally to #politics...
@ekis Well, IDK what kind of reality you live in, but #Ukraine is pretty much on top, despite everyone expecting #Putin's #Russia to have wiped it off the map within days...
I can tell you what the alternative is:
- #Zelenskyy offers a bounty of $25M on Putin (#alive prefered, but his head on a silver platter is fine too) and this shit ends quickly.
So far Russia is loosing ground faster than it can entrench, and no amount if #Copium will change this fact on the ground, and with loosing air-supremacy, it's only a matter of months till Ukraine has regained the #StatusQuoAnteBellum and can then (rightfully!) switch the tide even harder...
- Like at this point I'm surprised "Project #RainbowDash" (a supersonic UCAV that autonomously acquires targets and choots them down) hasn't been field-tested, cuz this thing was designed to outrun a Su-57 wilst outmaneuvering an Su-47...
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@Dingsextrem @kami_kadse Punkt ist, alles andere als ein Sieg der #Ukraine über den #StatusQuoAnteBellum hinaus würde #Putin und andere #SZO-Mitglieder wie die "V.R." #China darin bestärken, dass einfach Nachbarstaaten überfallen konsequenzfrei bleibt!
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@randahl @amayer personally I'm really embarrassed by the cowardice of Germany in regards to Ukraine.
Even if we somehow were that assholeist.to think Putin wpuld be appeased when getting Ukraine served on a platter, that ship clearly sailed due to Russian Propagandists already questioning the Baltic Nations' Right to Exist before doing their invasion.
Naturally, neither #EU nor #NATO take kindly to such threats...
Not to mention even the most ambitious requests of Ukrainians are nothing more than the #StatusQuoAnteBellum as of 1994-2012...
@Polynomial_C OFC that's a way to purposefully and knowingly #lie when #Russia is proven to be the aggressor, violating the #BudapestMemorandum which on it's own means that actually the #USA & #UK as guarantors for #Ukraine's territorial integrity are in a bind to technically deploy troops on the ground to enshure the "#StatusQuoAnteBellum" as of 1994-2013.
OFC Russia disliked that #Ukrainians toppled their pro-Russian #oligarch and thus illegally invaded #Crimea and supported the setup of #PuppetStates like #Luhansk * and #Donetsk **...
But hey, keep telling that lie to yourself long enough and you may start to actually believe it yourself...